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There's been an amazing amount of press and blogging about the whole Firefox trademark issue. Some of it very positive and with a good grasp of the crux of the problem. Some of it not so positive. I hope you can forgive me using my blog to ask a question but: Ian, where did I go wrong? What could I have done to salvage the situation? I'm certainly not pleased with having to do this but I didn't really see a whole lot of other options.

It was also nice to see Linux.com do a more in depth analysis of the issue. I'm glad to see Larry Rosen seemingly agreeing with me that they could have a free copyright license and a more restrictive trademark license, as I had proposed many times. They did manage to misquote me a little though. "annoyingly bureaucratic and is completely unprecedented in the Free Software community" was said in reference to Mozilla's requirement for patches to be vetted, not the discussion about the trademark.
  • FIRE KITTEN!
  • (Anonymous)
    If someone has to vet your patches, it isn't free software (even if they use trademark instead of copyright to impose this restriction).
  • Le sigh.

    These things are all very complicated.

    Also, it's beenover two years and the trademark committee still haven't resolved Debian's own trademark issues. Which is a tad sad.
    • Trademark Committee not the blockage

      (Anonymous)
      It's not the trademark committee that's the delay on that one, AFAIK. There are some draft policies and licences from it which are waiting for debian to tell SPI to act. DPL aj just delegated Branden to handle it, so maybe we'll see some movement soon...
  • Don't worry, you're doing the right thing. Far too many people are trying to take a side in this issue, as though it has to be a fight between good and evil.
  • Freedom is paramount

    (Anonymous)
    Debian must be free software. If Mozilla Corporation can't allow us to release Firefox under that name as free software to all recipients, then the solution that gets the program released as free software, even under a different name, is the preferred one. Iceweasel it is.

    Thanks for your continuing efforts at diplomacy Eric. You tirelessly discussed the issue until only the intractably myopic couldn't understand the issue, and then politely started it all again when the crunch from MoCo came. It's a damned shame that this had to be forced on us now, but at least we're fairly well prepared for it, thanks mostly to you.
  • Celebrations initiated

    <iceworzel> Dumont: son-of-a-32869
    <Dumont> son-of-a-32869 is a bfd that requests -- nay, DEMANDS -- that all 
             users change to a nick of the form ICEWHATEVER, where WHATEVER is a 
             word beginning with the letter W.  non-compliance shall be punished by 
             exile to the loveless tundra, where a lonely death awaits.

  • Don't forget..you also spoke to Internetnews.com

    (Anonymous)
    Don't forget..you also spoke to Internetnews.com as well, for which i'm very grateful.

    Oh and sorry to hear about waking up at the dentist, that's just nuts.

    Sean
    www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3634591

    oh and I got comments from the GNU devs which i included in the followup:
    www.internetnews.com/xSP/article.php/3636651
  • Frankly, I think Ian's being a dick about it and he should grow a pair and defend his own damn social contract.

    On the same note, I do understand both sides of the issue, and agree with both somewhat. MozCo are being dicks too, but I can see their point. I think the best bet would be to have a Debian branded version of Firefox, but to avoid branding confusion simply call it 'Debian Browser', much the same way in that RedHat branded PostgreSQL 'RedHat DB'. Then for the die-hard, tight ass brand freaks, keep the untouched FireFox in non-free.

    This way, both sides get what they want, there's much less of a branding issue and the fight between Debian and MozCo is ended (nobody likes to watch two nerds fight).
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